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Why Japan’s second goal against Spain was allowed to stand

The whole of the ball must cross the line for it to be out of play and VAR decided that at least some of it was still overhanging
Kaoru Mitoma crossing the ball before Japan’s controversial second goal.



Kaoru Mitoma crosses the ball before Japan’s controversial second goal. Photograph: Petr David Josek/AP


Martin Belam


Fri 2 Dec 2022 10.42 GMT
Last modified on Fri 2 Dec 2022 19.07 GMT

The introduction of VAR at the World Cup in 2018 did nothing to dampen debate around crucial decisions, and this year’s tournament in Qatar has been no different. Whether it was Antoine Griezmann’s disallowed late equaliser against Tunisia for France, Argentina’s VAR-awarded penalty after Wojciech Szczęsny appeared to gently brush Lionel Messi’s face with his hand, or the lack of a penalty after England’s Harry Maguire was wrestled to the floor against Iran, VAR’s subjective calls remain a point of contention.

But no decision has sparked more discussion than the award of Japan’s second goal against Spain on Thursday evening, when – to the naked eye – it appeared that the ball had crossed the line and gone out of play. It ended up sealing Japan’s qualification and in effect knockingGermany out of the tournament.

What happened? Ao Tanaka scored in the 51st minute to make it 2-1 to Japan, following a cross by Kaoru Mitoma. But the question is whether the ball crossed the goalline for a Spain goal-kick first.

    In the blink of an eye, Japan turn things around! 🫣

    Did it cross the line though…? 👀#ITVFootball | #FIFAWorldCup pic.twitter.com/Y8C5FdBSVK
    — ITV Football (@itvfootball) December 1, 2022

First of all, the laws of the game are quite clear:

    A goal-kick is awarded when the whole of the ball passes over the goalline, on the ground or in the air, having last touched a player of the attacking team, and a goal is not scored.

So did the whole of the ball cross the line? In some pictures it appeared to be quite clear.



Japan’s Kaoru Mitoma in the action before Ao Tanaka scored their second goal.
Japan’s Kaoru Mitoma pulls the ball back for Ao Tanaka to score their second goal. Photograph: Peter Cziborra/Reuters

However, rather like faking pictures of giant rats with false perspective, where you take the picture from makes a difference as to whether the ball appears to have crossed the line or not.

In this photograph, for example, you can see that the ball appears to be wholly over the line.
One view appears to show that the ball has wholly crossed the line.


One view appears to show that the ball has wholly crossed the line. Photograph: John Windmill/The Guardian

However, without moving the ball at all, if you take a photograph of the same scene from a higher angle, you can see that the whole of the ball has not crossed the line.


A different angle of the ball in the same position shows that it has not crossed the line.

A different angle of the ball in the same position shows that it has not crossed the line. Photograph: John Windmill/The Guardian

Or if you prefer it in Subbuteo format.

    Angles mean everything… what looks out from the side is, in reality, in play from above.. #ESP #JAP #Qatar2022 pic.twitter.com/5BraYqldND
    — Chris Williams (@Chris78Williams) December 1, 2022

The new tracking technology in the ball, much-touted before the World Cup started, is used as part of the semi-automated offside system, and is not used to track when the ball is in play.

The VAR officials ultimately instructed the referee, Victor Gomes of South Africa, to award the goal because they had seen an angle that showed that the ball had not wholly crossed the line. The slightest fraction of the curvature of the ball being above the line is sufficient for it to be deemed still in play.

    Definitive 🇯🇵pic.twitter.com/O0a1DskV98
    — FIFA World Cup (@FIFAWorldCup) December 2, 2022

They say World Cups are won on fine margins. There is perhaps none finer than this, regardless of how angry any television pundit gets about the decision.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/02/why-japan-second-var-goal-against-spain-was-allowed-to-stand-world-cup-ball-line






Esta tampoco salió. Ni olvido, ni perdón.


Contra Corea nos hicisteis una fechoría parecida anulando el gol que vino de este centro porque decía el juez de línea que había salido. Fraude.


返信先:@FIFAcomさん

Ok FIFA, so can you please explain me this? Korea - Spain, 2002 World Cup. The goal was not given because the ref said the ball was out. 20 years later, can you please explain us Spanish people where the hell the ball needs to be so you don’t fuck us up anymore?




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Why Japan’s second goal against Spain was allowed to stand

The whole of the ball must cross the line for it to be out of play and VAR decided that at least some of it was still overhanging
Kaoru Mitoma crossing the ball before Japan’s controversial second goal.



Kaoru Mitoma crosses the ball before Japan’s controversial second goal. Photograph: Petr David Josek/AP


Martin Belam


Fri 2 Dec 2022 10.42 GMT
Last modified on Fri 2 Dec 2022 19.07 GMT

The introduction of VAR at the World Cup in 2018 did nothing to dampen debate around crucial decisions, and this year’s tournament in Qatar has been no different. Whether it was Antoine Griezmann’s disallowed late equaliser against Tunisia for France, Argentina’s VAR-awarded penalty after Wojciech Szczęsny appeared to gently brush Lionel Messi’s face with his hand, or the lack of a penalty after England’s Harry Maguire was wrestled to the floor against Iran, VAR’s subjective calls remain a point of contention.

But no decision has sparked more discussion than the award of Japan’s second goal against Spain on Thursday evening, when – to the naked eye – it appeared that the ball had crossed the line and gone out of play. It ended up sealing Japan’s qualification and in effect knockingGermany out of the tournament.

What happened? Ao Tanaka scored in the 51st minute to make it 2-1 to Japan, following a cross by Kaoru Mitoma. But the question is whether the ball crossed the goalline for a Spain goal-kick first.

In the blink of an eye, Japan turn things around!

Did it cross the line though...? #ITVFootball | #FIFAWorldCup pic.twitter.com/Y8C5FdBSVK
— ITV Football (@itvfootball) December 1, 2022

First of all, the laws of the game are quite clear:

A goal-kick is awarded when the whole of the ball passes over the goalline, on the ground or in the air, having last touched a player of the attacking team, and a goal is not scored.

So did the whole of the ball cross the line? In some pictures it appeared to be quite clear.



Japan’s Kaoru Mitoma in the action before Ao Tanaka scored their second goal.
Japan’s Kaoru Mitoma pulls the ball back for Ao Tanaka to score their second goal. Photograph: Peter Cziborra/Reuters

However, rather like faking pictures of giant rats with false perspective, where you take the picture from makes a difference as to whether the ball appears to have crossed the line or not.

In this photograph, for example, you can see that the ball appears to be wholly over the line.
One view appears to show that the ball has wholly crossed the line.


One view appears to show that the ball has wholly crossed the line. Photograph: John Windmill/The Guardian

However, without moving the ball at all, if you take a photograph of the same scene from a higher angle, you can see that the whole of the ball has not crossed the line.


A different angle of the ball in the same position shows that it has not crossed the line.

A different angle of the ball in the same position shows that it has not crossed the line. Photograph: John Windmill/The Guardian

Or if you prefer it in Subbuteo format.

Angles mean everything… what looks out from the side is, in reality, in play from above.. #ESP #JAP #Qatar2022 pic.twitter.com/5BraYqldND
— Chris Williams (@Chris78Williams) December 1, 2022

The new tracking technology in the ball, much-touted before the World Cup started, is used as part of the semi-automated offside system, and is not used to track when the ball is in play.

The VAR officials ultimately instructed the referee, Victor Gomes of South Africa, to award the goal because they had seen an angle that showed that the ball had not wholly crossed the line. The slightest fraction of the curvature of the ball being above the line is sufficient for it to be deemed still in play.

Definitive pic.twitter.com/O0a1DskV98
— FIFA World Cup (@FIFAWorldCup) December 2, 2022

They say World Cups are won on fine margins. There is perhaps none finer than this, regardless of how angry any television pundit gets about the decision.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/02/why-japan-second-var-goal-against-spain-was-allowed-to-stand-world-cup-ball-line






Esta tampoco salió. Ni olvido, ni perdón.


Contra Corea nos hicisteis una fechoría parecida anulando el gol que vino de este centro porque decía el juez de línea que había salido. Fraude.


답신처:@FIFAcom

Ok FIFA, so can you please explain me this? Korea - Spain, 2002 World Cup. The goal was not given because the ref said the ball was out. 20 years later, can you please explain us Spanish people where the hell the ball needs to be so you don’t fuck us up anymore?





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